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« on: April 20, 2008, 08:43:25 PM »

does anyone know a way (besides larger tires) to raise the front end of a r-r mower? test drove my build-in-progress and kept bottoming out in old 4 wheeler ruts. (didn't like pushing 6" of mud) FYI. my build is an old Snapper, front is stiffened stock(bars are welded solid, new bushings) and still running the 4/10x4" rims(yes, 8" are in the works), back end is running an "modified" MST-205 t-axle, and 18" turf savers (and yes 20" atv's are coming soon too) but the clearance still may need to be lifted. the easier the better. thanks in advance for the ideas
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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2008, 06:45:16 AM »

I have ground clearance issues in my Toro also, I actually had to put in a skidplate because I ripped my steering joints off a few times.

I'd have to see your pictures of your current setup to really give you any *good* advice
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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2008, 07:56:04 PM »

<a href="http://s306.photobucket.com/albums/nn264/toxic_j_2007/?action=view&current=clear1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn264/toxic_j_2007/clear1.jpg" border="0" alt="view from front"></a>
<a href="http://s306.photobucket.com/albums/nn264/toxic_j_2007/?action=view&current=clear2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn264/toxic_j_2007/clear2.jpg" border="0" alt="clearance"></a>
<a href="http://s306.photobucket.com/albums/nn264/toxic_j_2007/?action=view&current=clear4.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn264/toxic_j_2007/clear4.jpg" border="0" alt="underside center"></a>
<a href="http://s306.photobucket.com/albums/nn264/toxic_j_2007/?action=view&current=clear5.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn264/toxic_j_2007/clear5.jpg" border="0" alt="underside LH side (RH same)"></a>
(...hope I posted these right)
yes, heim joints will be added soon, as well as the front bumper. (yes the turn signals and marker lights work smile
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Posted on: April 21, 2008, 07:54:35 PM
can't seem to get the coding right for the clickable thumbnails...(sorry)
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http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn264/toxic_j_2007/clear2.jpg
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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2008, 07:56:39 PM »

You have to use [IMG] tags, the forum doesn't accept HTML
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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2008, 08:01:03 PM »

that's what I did where the pic showed up, bit it's not clickable...
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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2008, 05:24:13 PM »

here's the new look with the 8" rims on it.




and the old look, now that I figured out photobucket











Posted on: April 24, 2008, 05:21:52 PM
still would like a little more chearance, any ideas? like to bring it up to about 1' or so. (that's only about 3 inches or so)
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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2008, 07:44:36 AM »

That looks good, you have way more clearance than I do.  You definitely have to widen it though, it looks like it could be tipsy.

There's a few ways you can go about getting more lift AND widening it. The cheap and dangerous way would be to make your own spindles out of round stock. Your best bet though, would be to build your own axle out of something simple like a 2" x 3" (for example) rectangular steel tube, and make custom spindles for it. If you build it yourself, you can give it as much lift as you want.

Another option would be to build the axle , but put it in a *slight* upside-down V shape to give you better clearance.
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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2008, 04:54:06 PM »

the inside of the front tires run even with the inside of the back. the back is a standard transaxle (MST-206) runs about 20" inside tire to inside tire. running 4.80x8 on the front and 20x9x8 on the back.back already has about 1" frame lift (due to removal of snapper's vari-drive and re-working the frame for the MST) the front only has the taller tires. it sits about level now.
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« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2008, 10:25:16 AM »

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· Every 2” lift axle must be widened 1”

Its in our rules.

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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2008, 06:28:07 PM »

the back end is already about 4" wider than stock (the transaxle is wider than the snapper vari-drive was) the front end hasn't really been lifted (but thinking about usong a front engine front axle welded where the original spindles are, moving them down about 1-2") that would allow me to space it out to where the front wheels run even outside front to outside back (about 4-6" wider)
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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2008, 11:12:14 PM »

those taller tires count as a lift.

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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2008, 06:42:11 AM »

Acording to rules he only needs to widing his front axle 2 inches.And the back is all set.
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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2008, 10:42:13 AM »

So, any tires taller than the OE size are considered lift?
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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2008, 09:47:56 PM »

Does offset wheels count as widening it? I got looking and the new wheels are offset 1" each further out (still planning on widening it more) just wondering.
Posted on: April 27, 2008, 09:08:08 PM

 this is the running idea for lift/widening the front end (front clip borrowed fm MOWchanic's build thread) possibly angle it down a little more or welding it under the front setup (thought about putting the steering arms at the top of the spindles also)


what do you guys think?
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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2008, 05:15:39 AM »

Does offset wheels count as widening it?

If taller tires are considered lift then additional offset *should* count as added width
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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2008, 07:16:01 AM »

Yes if ofset dont count as added width then tall tires shouldnt count as lift.So i would think that offset would count as added width.
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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2008, 09:19:14 PM »

I would think so, but in case, I'll probably find/build the setup a couple of posts up. kinda easy setup and I can get a few more inches of lift (esp. if I use regular riding mower front end and the snapper hardened spindles{IE. MTD front end uses 3"arms, snapper has 5"spindles}) just a thought tho. gotta find parts and get it rolling again first.(keep snapping sprocket welds on the chain drive) this thing is turning into a heck of a build..... wink

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« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2008, 03:51:47 PM »

Additional offset is counted as width. The height is measured from the bottom of the lowest point on the front & back; and the width is measured from the outside of each tire in relation to each other.
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« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2008, 10:52:48 PM »

how does this sound?

34 wide 8 high rear, 27 wide 8 high front.

that's the setup now, stock setup (for the most part) I'll probably try that idea a few posts up and widen the front end out about 3-9" and maybe try to get a new axle for the trans and widen it out to 40". (maybe)

I'd like to try to lift it up to about a foot clearance, but don't think I'll get there with my current setup. (chain drive issues)

may get about 1-2" out of the play in the t-axle mounts and sprockets.
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